Macron the new president..

USMCRET

Active Member
#3
How does everyone feel this.
Take care
Alex...
It does not matter how you feel. In any serviceman's allegiance is to his country (in this forum, the Legion), the President makes no difference. If he says go here you say Aye Aye Sir and that is that.
 
#5
Well... Macron wasn't personally my 'first choice', but in the runoff, for me, the Macron option was much better than Le Pen. She would have been a vastly incompetent president as it appeared clearly during the debate on TV last Wednesday. So, we'll see how Macron does. For the moment, he has from me the benefit of the doubt.
 
#6
Rapace,

Your comment is similar to that of my French D in Law. She preferred another, then regarded Macron as the last resort and in order to keep Le Pen out.
 

Surfguy

Super Active Member
#7
I don't think either are of much use to France, Macron will be too soft and Le Pen would have been too radical. Immigration is crippling Europe, neither had a workable answer.
 

dusaboss

Hyper Active Member
#9
Compulsory military service is waste of time and money and I don't believe that going to happen in France. It is popular thing among many voters so politicians saying that. I don't think that most people who want to reintroduce that thing don't know much about it. They going by motto the "army gone make man out of kids" which can be a true in some case, but army can also have opposite effect on young men. Especial on one who don't want to join it.

EDIT: "Leave It To The Professionals" ;)
 
#10
He has mentioned during his campaign that he will favor the military in order to fight terrorism, and also re-introduce in France a compulsory and universal military service
I very much doubt he will enforce this idea. The type of things you say during a campaign but you are ready to drop when people in the know tell you what the consequences would be.
 
#11
Dusaboss,

I concur that conscription is a waste of time and an unnecessary cost. Better one volunteer than one pressed man. (Press Gangs of old.)
Between 1945/1960 the RM conscripted 9000 men of whom 300 became officers. Most joined the Reserve prior to NS(draft) in order to secure a place. Then O/Rs' had to serve on the immediate reserve for three and one half years. Officers five and one half. Failure to attend reserve service resulted in arrest. Regular continuous service RMs' had to sign on for 9 years with the option of leaving at 7. According to Maj. Gen. Julian Thompson, NS men brought many skills to the Corps and once in Commando Brigade you could not differentiate them. The last RM /NS squad joined in 1962. 12 all former reservists, two para qualified and one already an SBS (R) operator. I wonder what the training team thought about this intake.

The USMC had the draft throughout the Viet Nam era. However I do not know how they fared. USMCRET can no doubt throw light on this.

In the UK conscription was officially 1945 until 1963 albeit some served up to and including e/of 1962, but very few. My info relating to 939 NS Squad was obtained from the March/April Edition 2017 of the Globe & Laurel magazine. Hence fact.
 
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Joseph Cosgrove

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Legionnaire
#12
Compulsory military service is waste of time and money and I don't believe that going to happen in France. It is popular thing among many voters so politicians saying that. I don't think that most people who want to reintroduce that thing don't know much about it. They going by motto the "army gone make man out of kids" which can be a true in some case, but army can also have opposite effect on young men. Especial on one who don't want to join it.

EDIT: "Leave It To The Professionals" ;)
There is a voluntary military service in France. It's name speaks for itself. I saw documentary about it. I think that it lasts for a year. It is usually those that have left school with little education. they do school classes and learn a trade as well as basic military instruction and are paid a smalll salary (400 euros, I think). For those that pass they also come out of the service with their driving license. Not bad for a fresh start.
 

maim

Actual or Former Legionnaire
Legionnaire
#13
Just a little aside. Although it is true that as a soldier it matters not one whit what political allegiance the President has. When I arrived in Bonifacio in 1982 a number of senior NCO's were still saying Oui mon camarade upon saluting officers.
Obviously due to the election of Socialist François Mitterrand. Can't see that happening now tho'
 
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Ossie O

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#14
Compulsory military service is a waste of time, money and resources. From Vietnam (Australia, America) to Afghanistan (Soviets) it has been a disaster. Most countries have a army reserve which is a great way for young people to experience the military life part time. The dick head politicians and the bar room loudmouths that are in favour of conscription are the ones that have never had the guts to put on a uniform. And can you imagine the P.R disaster on social media about the horror stories of cruelty and bastardisation. The chosen ones that want to serve eventually find themselves signing up.
 
#15
Compulsory military service is a waste of time, money and resources. From Vietnam (Australia, America) to Afghanistan (Soviets) it has been a disaster. Most countries have a army reserve which is a great way for young people to experience the military life part time. The dick head politicians and the bar room loudmouths that are in favour of conscription are the ones that have never had the guts to put on a uniform. And can you imagine the P.R disaster on social media about the horror stories of cruelty and bastardisation. The chosen ones that want to serve eventually find themselves signing up.
In the United States we call them chickenhawks. It's a term used to describe a person who is for sending Americans to fight a war, but never got around to serving themselves.
 
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Ossie O

Unregistered
#16
The majority of senior NCO's during my service in the Oz army (Infantry) were vets of Vietnam, many AATTV 'Australian Army Training Team Vietnam'. The knowledge and experience that they passed on was priceless (never get a photo standing over a bastard you have just given a third eye to...damn right). Fine men, salt of the earth. Most were against conscription.
 

loustic

Banned
Banned
#18
I don't think either are of much use to France, Macron will be too soft and Le Pen would have been too radical. Immigration is crippling Europe, neither had a workable answer.
Macron does not seem to be so soft, it is only an appearance of softness. And ... he promised to visit his soldiers as soon as he is effectively president (Sunday) and thus "chef des armées". He wants more and better trained soldiers, at least that's what he said ! He also promised to find the funds for that !
 
#19
Macron does not seem to be so soft, it is only an appearance of softness. And ... he promised to visit his soldiers as soon as he is effectively president (Sunday) and thus "chef des armées". He wants more and better trained soldiers, at least that's what he said ! He also promised to find the funds for that !
From the looks of things he's a realist and facing the facts, diplomacy cannot stop extremism or plain old barbarism, it's a clash of ideals. You need boots on the ground to finish it.
 

Joseph Cosgrove

Moderator
Legionnaire
#20
From the looks of things he's a realist and facing the facts, diplomacy cannot stop extremism or plain old barbarism, it's a clash of ideals. You need boots on the ground to finish it.
He is also talking about taking down the borders, Let's not forget that he was F. Holland's advisor before he left him to later come back to be his misnister of finance before leaving him a second time. Even after all that the 'baiseur casqué' still supported him. I don't think that there will be a big turn around in the politics that everyone is expecting. But let's give him his chance, he was voted in and deserves at least that.
 

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