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    Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    What is the equivalent in the USA and UK and how are they addressed by privates?

    Sergeant-Major or Staff-Sergeant
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    It's an Sergeant-CHEF is NATO OR-6 designation and equivalent of a Staff Sergeant in the US Army.

    Sergeant Major (SGM) is NATO OR-9 designation and the equivalent of an Adjudant-Chef
    Command Sergeant Major (CSM) is allso and OR-9 designation and as far as I can understand the equivalent of and Major.

    When you come to "Command Sergeant Major of the US Army" it's an entiery different ballgame since it's an indipendant position.

    The UK OR-6 is Sergeant.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    I did not remember so I had to check up on Wikipedia:

    Staff Sergeants are referred to as "Sergeant" except for in certain training environments and schools, or by the demand of the SSG him/herself.

    Now this is pertaining to the Army, and not the USMC or Air Force.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    So even though his rank is higher than a sergeant, he is still called sergeant by his sub ordinates?
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Quote Originally Posted by voltigeur View Post
    So even though his rank is higher than a sergeant, he is still called sergeant by his sub ordinates?
    The origin of the name is that they were part of the staff of a British army regiment and paid at that level rather than as a member of a battalion or company.

    In the British Army, Staff Sergeant ranks above Sergeant and below Warrant Officer Class 2. The rank is given a NATO code of OR-7. The insignia is the monarch's crown above three downward pointing chevrons.

    Staff sergeants can also hold other appointments, such as Company Quartermaster Sergeant, and are usually known by that appointment if held.

    The equivalent rank in infantry regiments is Colour Sergeant, and holders are known by that title no matter what their appointment.


    British staff sergeants are never referred to or addressed as "Sergeant", which would be reducing their rank, but are referred to and addressed as "Staff Sergeant", "Colour" or "Staff" or by their appointment or its abbreviation. eg Quartermaster sergeants are often addressed as "Q".


    In the Household Cavalry the equivalent rank is Staff Corporal.

    In most cavalry regiments, staff sergeants are addressed as "Sergeant Major", which is assumed to derive from the original rank of Troop Sergeant Major.

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    As for the US somebody else would have to confirm but I'm sure they should be addressed by their full rank ie Staff Sergeant Ferret. To call them just Sergeant would as you said reduce their rank which is a big no no.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_in_the_French_Army"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_in_the_French_Army[/ame]


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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferret View Post
    As for the US somebody else would have to confirm but I'm sure they should be addressed by their full rank ie Staff Sergeant Ferret. To call them just Sergeant would as you said reduce their rank which is a big no no.
    It was quite common at the base in Mannheim (where I lived for a while) for ranks up to Sergeant First Class (OR-7) informally be addressed as "Sergeant" or "Sarge". Ceremonial it's quite a different thing, then they would of course use the whole title.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    To make a long story short, it is safe to translate Sergent-Chef to Sergeant-Major in an English written book.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Quote Originally Posted by voltigeur View Post
    To make a long story short, it is safe to translate Sergent-Chef to Sergeant-Major in an English written book.
    No, since Sergent-Chef is a NATO OR-6 designation it is the equivalent of an US Army Staff Sergeant. So the correct thing as far as I can see it is to translate Sergent-Chef to Staff Sergeant.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Adjudant is NATO OR-8 and the equivalent of a First Sergeant and Master Sergeant.

    Adjudant-Chef is NATO OR-9 and the equivalent of a Sergeant Major.

    Major is also NATO OR-9 and the equivalent of a Command Sergeant Major.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Quote Originally Posted by voltigeur View Post
    To make a long story short, it is safe to translate Sergent-Chef to Sergeant-Major in an English written book.
    The direct equivelant ie OR6 in the British Army is just a regular Sergeant.

    In the US the OR6 grade is met by the position of Staff Sergeant as Lillegutt noted above.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferret View Post
    The direct equivelant ie OR6 in the British Army is just a regular Sergeant.

    In the US the OR6 grade is met by the position of Staff Sergeant as Lillegutt noted above.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Quote Originally Posted by Lillegutt View Post
    You brits allways gotta be special! Your warrant officers aren't really Warrant officers, they are NCO's and do not have WO designation!

    Aghhh… Warrant Officers are not for real anyway; they are some kind of a hybrid thing.

    Real men are NCO’s end of story.

    This said, I have known quite a few great, really great guys that where Legionnaires, Caporal, or Caporal Chef (Brigadier and Brigadier Chef within the real boys)
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    Staff-Sergeant seems to be the most appropriate translation of Sergent-Chef. Thanks for the replies.
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    Re: Rank of Sergeant-Chef

    In the Grenadier Guards They are known in the Household Division as Colour Sergeant and addressed as Sergeant. Not Colour or anything chippy. Joe have pm you about it
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