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[Baileyi]

Hi,

A question best suited for cavalry I think. Does the Legion only use the armored vehicles with the big tires? Or do they have the ones with tracks as well? How would you compare French tanks with tanks like the Abrams, Mark IV, Leopard, or Challenger? What makes a tank better or worse?

[Stoeng]

They are reconnaissance vehicles and not tanks. Their work has nothing to do with heavy armor and can therefore not be compared.

[Sugardaddy]

I think FFL tanks are GIAT AMX 10RC so check it up it is a 6X6 with a turret mounted 105 mm canon. However, the armour on this baby is not that thick.

It is a replacement for Panhard armoured car, so is is practically an armoured car, sure in an ambush with a well placed round it could take down a tank, but the same thing can be said of an infantryman with a proper anti-tank missile. It is more mobile and less resource consuming animal than a proper tank well suited for low intensity conflicts and infantry support, also reconaissance for armoured forces proper.

[Eagle eye]

Hi,

A question best suited for cavalry I think. Does the Legion only use the armored vehicles with the big tires? Or do they have the ones with tracks as well? How would you compare French tanks with tanks like the Abrams, Mark IV, Leopard, or Challenger? What makes a tank better or worse?

...the FFL has no heavy armour as it was emasculated for its insiduous role in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961"]Algerian putsch[/ame] in 1961. French generals rebelled against De Gaulle who'd promised "Je vous ai compris: Algèrie Française !!" (continued colonial rule) as an electoral slogan only to change his mind six months after winning it by proclaiming "Algèrie Libre !" (the road to independence)...the FFL played a main role in rebelling with a plan to parachute one or several FFL battalions over Paris to seize political control...one incident defined the FFL connection to this botched coup d'état when it paraded holding rifle muzzles and singing Edith Piaf's "Je ne regrette rien " in marching step as a direct affront to the Parisian government....several French generals had their death sentences commuted to life sentences for their perceived treachery. The FFL BEPs of the FFL were disbanded and the new FFL parachute regiment (2e REP ) was banished from the French mainland to this day....the rest of the FFL was denied any heavy armour, artillery or ALAT (light aircraft such as helis and transport planes) under its direct orders and also to this day....the USMC has the full complement of heavy armour and artiller and some USAF pilots are earmarked for the USMC and possibly have USMC rank...the last detail TBC...

[Outlander]

one incident defined the FFL connection to this botched coup d'état when it paraded holding rifle muzzles and singing Edith Piaf's "Je ne regrette rien " in marching step as a direct affront to the Parisian government....

What a sight that must have been...

[voltigeur]

...the FFL has no heavy armour as it was emasculated for its insiduous role in the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in 1961. French generals rebelled against De Gaulle who'd promised "Je vous ai compris: Algèrie Française !!" (continued colonial rule) as an electoral slogan only to change his mind six months after winning it by proclaiming "Algèrie Libre !" (the road to independence)...the FFL played a main role in rebelling with a plan to parachute one or several FFL battalions over Paris to seize political control...one incident defined the FFL connection to this botched coup d'état when it paraded holding rifle muzzles and singing Edith Piaf's "Je ne regrette rien " in marching step as a direct affront to the Parisian government....several French generals had their death sentences commuted to life sentences for their perceived treachery. The FFL BEPs of the FFL were disbanded and the new FFL parachute regiment (2e REP ) was banished from the French mainland to this day....the rest of the FFL was denied any heavy armour, artillery or ALAT (light aircraft such as helis and transport planes) under its direct orders and also to this day....the USMC has the full complement of heavy armour and artiller and some USAF pilots are earmarked for the USMC and possibly have USMC rank...the last detail TBC...

The 1er REP and 1er REC where the only Legion regiments to participate in the coup. Other regiments such as the 3em REI and 2em REP were poised to participate. On my picture page is one pic of us driving toward Oran. The 1er REC was banned for a spel to the Sahara, south of Colomb-Bechar. See a letter from a former French para officer confirming this.

[Baileyi]

...the FFL has no heavy armour as it was emasculated for its insiduous role in the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in 1961. French generals rebelled against De Gaulle who'd promised "Je vous ai compris: Algèrie Française !!" (continued colonial rule) as an electoral slogan only to change his mind six months after winning it by proclaiming "Algèrie Libre !" (the road to independence)...the FFL played a main role in rebelling with a plan to parachute one or several FFL battalions over Paris to seize political control...one incident defined the FFL connection to this botched coup d'état when it paraded holding rifle muzzles and singing Edith Piaf's "Je ne regrette rien " in marching step as a direct affront to the Parisian government....several French generals had their death sentences commuted to life sentences for their perceived treachery. The FFL BEPs of the FFL were disbanded and the new FFL parachute regiment (2e REP ) was banished from the French mainland to this day....the rest of the FFL was denied any heavy armour, artillery or ALAT (light aircraft such as helis and transport planes) under its direct orders and also to this day....the USMC has the full complement of heavy armour and artiller and some USAF pilots are earmarked for the USMC and possibly have USMC rank...the last detail TBC...

Does that mean that the aircraft used in the 2REP is actually French Airforce? Aren't mortars considered artillery?

[Nickfury]

Yes and No.

[Pagoda_Warrior]

Does that mean that the aircraft used in the 2REP is actually French Air force? Aren't mortars considered artillery?

Mortars are a support weapon, and it's an Infantry mans job!!! Most Half decent Infantry, Airborne and Commando units around the world have a Support Company within their structure.

A support Company in the British military will have a Platoon of guy's who specialize in either Mortars, Sustained Fire (Machine Gunners), Milan or Blowpipe. I'm sure 2REP and other Legion Regiments will have a similar structure as they'll (As much as anyone) need to be able to rely on such support whilst operational.

The Artillery play with much bigger guns......

No There are no Pilots in the FFL. This has been discussed before...

[Martin Scott]

Theres also a thread about the AMX10 in depth where I and a very senior NCO who served with in 1er REC,Explained it all......

[Eagle eye]

Does that mean that the aircraft used in the 2REP is actually French Airforce? Aren't mortars considered artillery?

....French pilots are outside FFL operational control at all times and FFL CEAs (fire support company) have 120mm howitzers (heavy mortars) but no 155mm artillery (long range) which are deployed separately with the FFL in battle groups in the operational mix...one time in RCA 1985, in Bouar, there was such a battle group including a Spahis light wheeled-tank battalion which deployed together with several FFL companies to the Tchadian border in a coordinating movement exercise (a very dusty experience on the back of a VLRA-long range French Army and excellent vehicle). Also while in Bouar, French artillery coordinated with several FFL companies on a live fire coordinating exercise. During the same rotating company, one FFL company deployed to Togo on a mock cordinating training exercise with the French Air Force including Jaguars and heli gunships and troop landing Pumas with exploding pods interconnected over several hundred square metres for simulated bombing runs....

[serge]

Does that mean that the aircraft used in the 2REP is actually French Airforce? Aren't mortars considered artillery?

YES aircraft used in the REP are French Airforce.

NO mortars aren't considered artillery in any army.

Easy answer to easy questions.

[Eagle eye]

The 1er REP and 1er REC where the only Legion regiments to participate in the coup. Other regiments such as the 3em REI and 2em REP were poised to participate. On my picture page is one pic of us driving toward Oran. The 1er REC was banned for a spel to the Sahara, south of Colomb-Bechar. See a letter from a former French para officer confirming this.

....The real fear was the parachuting of the BEP over Paris to seize the places of government...for their real and potential role in the 1961 putsch, both BEPs were disbanded and revamped into one 2eREP....TBC by reptilians...

[Broncs]

....French pilots are outside FFL operational control at all times and FFL CEAs (fire support company) have 120mm howitzers (heavy mortars) but no 155mm artillery (long range) which are deployed separately with the FFL in battle groups in the operational mix...one time in RCA 1985, in Bouar, there was such a battle group including a Spahis light wheeled-tank battalion which deployed together with several FFL companies to the Tchadian border in a coordinating movement exercise (a very dusty experience on the back of a VLRA-long range French Army and excellent vehicle). Also while in Bouar, French artillery coordinated with several FFL companies on a live fire coordinating exercise. During the same rotating company, one FFL company deployed to Togo on a mock cordinating training exercise with the French Air Force including Jaguars and heli gunships and troop landing Pumas with exploding pods interconnected over several hundred square metres for simulated bombing runs....

Does CEA still have the 120mm's I thought they were doing away with those as I was getting out and going to a samller motar that could be carried into the field.

[serge]

I think you are wrong Marious, 1 BEP was actually 1 REP when they were disbanded, 2nd REP remains, therewas never a 3 REP, 3 BEP was and airborne regiment de' marche made up of 3 REI and others who had a bash in Indo China culminating at Dien Bien Phu in 54.

That said I would be intersted to know if I'm wrong.