Suicide Bombers looking for new recruits

**RaiderDingo** · 19th February 2006, 17:03

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- An Iranian group that claims its members are dedicated to becoming suicide bombers warned the United States and Britain on Saturday that they will strike coalition military bases in Iraq if Tehran's nuclear facilities are attacked.

Mohammad Ali Samadi, spokesman for Esteshadion, or Martyrdom Seekers, boasted of having hundreds of potential bombers in his talk at a seminar on suicide-bombings tactics at Tehran's Khajeh Nasir University.

"With more than 1,000 trained martyrdom-seekers, we are ready to attack the American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran's nuclear facilities," Samadi said.

"If they strike, we have a lot of volunteers. Their (U.S. and British) sensitive places are quiet close to Iranian borders," Samadi said.

Samadi reviewed the history of suicide bombing as a weapon, praising it as the most effective Palestinian tactic in their confrontation with Israel.

The organizers showed video clips of suicide attacks against Israelis, including one in the Morag settlement near Rafah in Gaza strip in February 2005. One settler, three Israeli soldiers and the two attackers were killed in the attack.

Hasan Abbasi, a university instructor and former member of the elite Revolutionary Guards, told the audience of about 200 that Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons as claimed by the United States and some of its allies.

Iranian students fill in the papers of registration forms indicating their readiness for martyrdom, or to carry out suicide attacks, in Tehran, Iran, Saturday, Feb. 18, 2006. A gathering of Iranians who claim they are dedicated to becoming suicide bombers warned the United States and Britain on Saturday of attacks on coalition military bases in Iraq if there were a strike against Tehran's nuclear facilities. (AP Photo/Hasan Sarbakhshian)

"Our martyrdom-seekers are our nuclear weapons," said Abbasi, the event's main speaker.

After his speech, about 50 students filled out membership applications.
"This is a unique opportunity for me to die for God, next to my brothers in Palestine. That was why I signed up," said Reza Haghshenas, a 22-year-old electrical engineering student.

A 23-year-old woman student, Maryam Amereh, said: "We are trying to defend Islam. It's a way to draw the attention of others to our activities."
But Rahim Hasanlu, a 22-year-old industrial management student, declared himself not interested in joining.

"I just attended to learn what they're saying, thats all."

Esteshadion was formed in late 2004, calling for members on a sporadic basis at Friday prayer ceremonies, state-sponsored rallies and at the group's occasional meetings.

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**joette** · 19th February 2006, 19:01

Just another good reason for America to go into Iran! Dumb asses!

**canard** · 19th February 2006, 20:07

Paris, France-Iran's nuclear activity is a cover for a clandestine weapons program, French Foreign Minister Phillipe Douste-Blaizy has said in France's most direct attack on Tehran in the escalating international dispute.
Iran's chief nuclear negotiator immediately dismissed the charge, insisting that Iran did not "want to have the bomb".

Douste-Blaizy's bold statement on thursday appeared to reflect mounting exasperation and a tougher stance than European negotiators had previously maintained in their efforts to persuade Iran to suspend nuclear activities.
"No civilian nuclear program can explain the Iranian nuclear program. It is a clandestine military nuclear program." Douste-Blaizy said on France 2 television.

"The international community has sent a very firm message in telling the Iranians to return to reason and suspend all nuclear activity and the enrichment and conversion of uranium, but they aren't listening to us."Europe and the U.S. fear that Iran is using its nuclear energy program to build nuclear weapons, and the U.N. security council is to consider Iran's nuclear activities next month. Amid mounting tensions, Iran resumed small scale uranium enrichment last week.

"Now it's up to the Security Council to say what it will do, what means it will use to stop, to manage, to halt this terrible crisis of nuclear proliferation caused by Iran." Douste-Blaizy said.

While U.S. rhetoric towards Iran has been quite firm, European leaders have been more cautious. France, Britain and Germany have led European negotiations that have failed to persuade Iran to suspend parts of its nuclear program.
"People are clearly feeling somewhat frustrated that the Iranians have been given lots of oppurtunities they don't want to seem to take advantage of," said Richard Whitman of the Chatham House think tank in London.

He noted that the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, was unusually stern in reporting Iran to the Security Council earlier this month.

The French Foreign Ministry insisted that Douste-Blaizy's comments were in line with the European position on Iran.

"France shares the concerns of its European partners and the international community," spokeswoman Agnes Romatet-Espagne said. "The sensitive nuclear activities conducted now by Iran in terms of conversion and enrichment raise doubt about their peaceful and civilian nature."

In response to Douste-Blaizy's comments, Iranian negotiator Ali Larijani said:
"We want civilian nuclear energy, we don't want to have the bomb."

Speaking from Tehran on France-Inter radio, he said: "Concerning nuclear arms, we are a responsible country....We want to be in this camp of countries that have nuclear energy technology, but no nuclear weapons, such as Brazil and Japan," He said.

In Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice said Wednesday that the United States would "walk a fine line" in seeking punitive international sanctions against Iran's Islamic government over its disputed nuclear program.

The next big test comes later this month, at talks in Moscow on moving Iran's enrichment program to Russia, which would allay fears that Iran might misuse the technology to make nuclear arms.

Tensions over Iran are likely to diminish if Tehran agrees to the Russian proposal- and to balloon if it does not.

**canard** · 19th February 2006, 20:17

If Iran wants nuclear power, they should allow the Russians to enrich their uranium.
The statement by Larijani has been conradicted by a fatwa issued in favour of nuclear WMD, by a cleric close to Ahmadinejad, who himself has made no secret of his anti semitic views, and has stated that he beleives the U.S. is too overstretched in Iraq to move against Iran.
Add all of this together and the conclusion is all too obvious.
Hopefully the talks in Moscow can resolve this mess.
This regime is playing with fire, f*cking big time.

**joette** · 20th February 2006, 00:41

Originally Posted by canard

If Iran wants nuclear power, they should allow the Russians to enrich their uranium.
The statement by Larijani has been conradicted by a fatwa issued in favour of nuclear WMD, by a cleric close to Ahmadinejad, who himself has made no secret of his anti semitic views, and has stated that he beleives the U.S. is too overstretched in Iraq to move against Iran.
Add all of this together and the conclusion is all too obvious.
Hopefully the talks in Moscow can resolve this mess.
This regime is playing with fire, f*cking big time.

Over stretched..then there could possibly be a draft here..?

**flash010** · 20th February 2006, 01:33

its been comming look at the world map and think how meny troops are over seas i smell another naim coming hope to hell am wrong

**Stoeng** · 20th February 2006, 06:43

Originally Posted by joette

Just another good reason for America to go into Iran! Dumb asses!

That would be a extremely bad idea !!!

The Iranians are in general not at all anti American and everything related to the US has a very good reputation in Iran. Most of the engineers and middle management in my company are educated in the US
More than a million Iranians live in the US, and even if there is no diplomatic connection between the two nations, there is a continuous flow of population coming and going between Iran and the US.
I usually travel with Air France between Tehran and Paris every month and the plane is always at least 50% full of Iranian Americans. They are boarding in Paris with an American passport and disembarking in Tehran with an Iranian passport.

However, the Iranians are quite nationalistic and an armed attack on their country (from any nation) would never be considered welcome. On the other hand, there is no limitation at least in the mind of the people, for a future peaceful cooperation with the US.

Unfortunately, as long as the two presidents (US and Iran) are both extremist, one Christian and the other Islamic. There seems to be very little hope for a close cooperation in the near future.

**messenger** · 20th February 2006, 08:09

What just go in, roll in and expect the iranians to be throwing garlands at the feet of the advancing columns

The iranians have called the u.s federal governments bluff, And they have many,many friends in the world. Such an attack will polarize the entire arab world, probably china and russia as well, they will have to divert massive resources to the middle east, leaving the korean peninsular and taiwan straits with china involved it could win here as well, the effusion of u.s blood will surely be horrendous more than public opinion could take.

**Coinnach** · 20th February 2006, 08:24

Originally Posted by Stoeng 171434

That would be a extremely bad idea !!!

The Iranians are in general not at all anti American and everything related to the US has a very good reputation in Iran. Most of the engineers and middle management in my company are educated in the US
More than a million Iranians live in the US, and even if there is no diplomatic connection between the two nations, there is a continuous flow of population coming and going between Iran and the US.
I usually travel with Air France between Tehran and Paris every month and the plane is always at least 50% full of Iranian Americans. They are boarding in Paris with an American passport and disembarking in Tehran with an Iranian passport.

However, the Iranians are quite nationalistic and an armed attack on their country (from any nation) would never be considered welcome. On the other hand, there is no limitation at least in the mind of the people, for a future peaceful cooperation with the US.

Unfortunately, as long as the two presidents (US and Iran) are both extremist, one Christian and the other Islamic. There seems to be very little hope for a close cooperation in the near future.

Very interesting post Stoeng, it is good to get a balanced view especially from someone who has there feet on the ground in Iran.

**canard** · 20th February 2006, 13:24

The international community is united in their opinion of this situation, ie lets find a diplomatic solution....

With every one, Iran's friends included, urging a different path to be taken, it has to be worked out.
The alternative does not bear thinking about. International nuclear Chicken is not a nice game to watch!!!
No one is going to stand by scratching their arseholes waiting to see what happens if(god forbid) diplomacy fails.

What is the opinion of the guys you work with, Stoeng?

**B-Lark** · 20th February 2006, 20:16

I'm impressed with the French for making a stand on this issue. They have a tendency to waffle a bit when it comes to matters in the middle east.

**Martin Scott** · 21st February 2006, 12:36

[QUOTE=canard]The international community is united in their opinion of this situation, ie lets find a diplomatic solution....

With every one, Iran's friends included, urging a different path to be taken, it has to be worked out.

Lets hope the people around the table make there point very clear we do not want WW III,on our hands. My old school mater said that he thought that
the next war would break out in the middle East I hope to hell hes wrong,very wrong.

**canard** · 21st February 2006, 19:14

[QUOTE=Martin Scott]

Originally Posted by canard

The international community is united in their opinion of this situation, ie lets find a diplomatic solution....

With every one, Iran's friends included, urging a different path to be taken, it has to be worked out.

Lets hope the people around the table make there point very clear we do not want WW III,on our hands. My old school mater said that he thought that
the next war would break out in the middle East I hope to hell hes wrong,very wrong.

Lots of people seem to think that Iran would be the mother of all sh*tstorms if it went off, last thing the whole region needs....

**Stoeng** · 22nd February 2006, 16:13

Originally Posted by canard

What is the opinion of the guys you work with, Stoeng?

The Iranians are quite divided even within themselves. On one side they are quite nationalistic (not religiously related) and would like to see Iran as a major player in the region. Also they have a complex of superiority towards the Arabs, whom they consider as a sort of lower race (they are actually quite right is this matter).
The Iranian culture is probably among the oldest in the world and most Iranians have a very high opinion about Iran as a nation and their cultural value. Therefore it is very difficult for them to accept any lessons or directives coming from another nation or culture. This is probably the main reason to the fact that many Iranians would welcome the possibility of having nuclear weapons, and hence put Iran at its “right” place on the world map.

On the other side, 90% of the educated and “modern” Iranians are sick and tired of being the “donkeys” of the world, and would like Iran to open up to the world and put an end to 25 years of darkness. They are fed-up with “fantastic” declarations from their leaders and with empty slogans that finally serves nothing apart from giving a fake image of their nation. Most of them really couldn’t care less if they have nuclear weapons or not. They would like to have normal lives where they can dress as they want, drive the cars they like and listen to whatever music they prefer.

**Martin Scott** · 22nd February 2006, 16:19

On the other side, 90% of the educated and “modern” Iranians are sick and tired of being the “donkeys” of the world, and would like Iran to open up to the world and put an end to 25 years of darkness. They are fed-up with “fantastic” declarations from their leaders and with empty slogans that finally serves nothing apart from giving a fake image of their nation. Most of them really couldn’t care less if they have nuclear weapons or not. They would like to have normal lives where they can dress as they want, drive the cars they like and listen to whatever music they prefer.[/QUOTE]

Thats the most common sense view I have ever heard on the region as a
whole. It seems that like there counter parts in the west,apart from the freedoms we enjoy to a extent,they face the same evryday pressures and just want to get on with there lives. But are faced with the as same thing
Polticians who open there mouths nothing but lies and fabrication comes out.
How can you tell when a politican lying ?
His lips move.