The evolution of U.S. Army Special Forces

[Pier Carlo]

See "From Bosnia to Baghdad: The Evolution of U.S. Army Special
Forces from 1995-2004" by Armando J. Ramirez, Navy Postgraduate
School, September 2004:

http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/ramirez.pdf

[BobW]

Bonjour Pier,

I read through the link real fast.

I'm sure the author is a nice guy and trying his best. His paper omitted the politics involved in all this. There were a couple of references to politics, such as close air support had restrictions. Otherwise, what is learned not already known from Beirut, Panama, etc?

OF course, there is NO way he could write about the politics involving Special Forces. Even the authors at the senior level - if affiliated with a military college-have restrictions.

Here in the States, the situation is the private universities have anti-military professors and the military schools have restrictions. Hopefull, this will change soon.

Sidebar; do you know the make and model of the famous, excellent Beretta cal .22 auto pistol issued Italian Navy Officers? It incorporates a perfected Parabellum action (I think.). I just found my "Agenda Beretta Duemila" given to me by Beretta, USA (located in Maryland, near Washington, D.C.). This find in my cluttered study, reminded me of the Navy pistol. The photos in my Beretta book are artwork. The actual artwork on the swords and pistols cannot be less than the great paintings.

Saluations,
BobW

[Pier Carlo]

....do you know the make and model of the famous, excellent Beretta cal .22 auto pistol issued Italian Navy Officers? It incorporates a perfected Parabellum action (I think.). ..

Are you looking for Beretta SCS 70 .223 rem rifles, a weapon used by COMSUBIN commandos? They have a wide range of weapons in the original and modified versions, with reference to special operations.

Sincerely,

Pier Carlo

[BobW]

No, am thinking of a small auto pistol cal.22. Had heard this mentioned in a Naval Officers Club some time ago.

I believe it is issued only to Naval Officers. Believe it is very high quality-not the usual type weapon issued to member of the military.

(I write this here rather than PM because it is indirectly related to various subjects participatants at cervens.com are interested in.)

Nothing critical to my notes; if you hear anything in the future , I'd love to hear about this Beretta product.

Saluations,
BobW

[Mick]

Hey Bob I am pretty sure a mate of mine has one....I will get in contact and see what I can dig up up on it!

[Pier Carlo]

No, am thinking of a small auto pistol cal.22. Had heard this mentioned in a Naval Officers Club some time ago. ...

I will look at..

https://www.bignami.it/bignami/catnaz_lis.jsp

Saluti,

[BobW]

Bonjour Pier,

I'm sure the chart lists this pistol.

What does =22 corto= mean?

This morning I was thinking that the particular weapon I have in mind might be issued only to admirals. The US has a similiar program whereas when being promoted to general or admiral, there are additional special items issued to the new "flag grade" officer, a special belt and buckle and a small auto pistol. Maybe what I learned at the Naval Officers Club was incomplete and the .22 pistol is only issued to Italian Admirals.

Anything you hear would be most appreciated.

Saluti,
BobW

[BobW]

Sah Sah (with the Chinese type slur to it) / McGuire [Plutotonwha/Guangdongwha, respectively] Mick. Anything you learn from your mate would be most appreciated.

Saluations and Si-geon,

BobW

[Pier Carlo]

[QUOTE=BobW]Bonjour Pier,

..... Maybe what I learned at the Naval Officers Club was incomplete and the .22 pistol is only issued to Italian Admirals.../QUOTE]

Do you have a picture of this special Beretta?
Thanks
Pier Carlo

[BobW]

Bonjour Pier,

No, I have no picture.

My colleague just told me it was not issued exclusively to admirals. Field grade level officers also were issued it.

Apparently, this must have been during the Cold War.

Saluti and Saluations,
BobW

[Pier Carlo]

Dear Bob:

I suppose the reference was for beretta 950 and / or 951

http://www.euroarms.net/ExOrdinanza/ExordTextIT/Dettagli/singoli0311/pages/BER%20950%20B%20SPEC_01.htm

http://www.pmulcahy.com/pistols/italian_pistols.htm

Actually the Italian Navy Officers have Beretta 92 (at my knowledge)

Best wishes - Happy New Year to all!

Saluti

[BobW]

Bonjour Pier,

Yes, the model is within the 2 links you posted.

I believe my limited hearing about this weapon might have encompassed 2-3 models. The modified blow-black is probably the feature I heard of.

Now I know why small sophisticated US organizations with huge budgets obtain Beretta products.

Again, thank you.

Saluti and Amities,
BobW

[Pier Carlo]

...No, I have no picture.....BobW

Bonjour Bob:

Perhaps people at the Navy Officers' Club could have made a reference to the following: Regia Marina Italiana - Beretta mod. 22 (ref. to the year) (cal. 7,65); mod 22 -> mod 31 .....
"Evoluzione delle pistole Beretta dal 1915 al 1951" - http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/beretta3435storia.htm
www.carabinieri.it sez. armi - http://www.carabinieri.it/arma/ieri/rosso_argento_turchino/volume_3.htm

I have a picture of this beretta with "RM" on.

Saluti
Regards - Pier Carlo

[BobW]

Bonjour Pier,

No, I am sure that it was cal .22 that was mentioned.

In the prior links you posted I believe it is indeed listed.

It is .22, high quality military manufacture (in contradistinction to mass military production) with advanced blowback technology.

If I get ever back to the Club, I will ask my colleagues if they can identify it.

Saluti
BobW