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18th October 2004, 17:01
I just posted this in a thread, but I figure it could easily get overlooked:
It may be possible to retrieve some of the posts from Google's cache. For example, I searched for beausheep site:cervens.net on Google. The site:cervens.net part restricts the search to cervens. Beausheep is an active user, with a number of useful posts :) so the search results give a wide selection.
Now the important bit: Next to the search result, click on the link that says Cached ([Only registered and activated users can see links] eausheep+site:cervens.net&hl=en) and that will give you an archived view of the page.
It's a bit hit and miss, and I have no idea how long Google's cache lasts for, but perhaps someone with a lot of spare time would care to copy all the useful posts over?! :p
18th October 2004, 17:40
The cache is only of those posts updated on the 16th October, and I suppose that these archived views will be overwritten in the next couple of days. But it's still possible to see a couple of Beausheeps hilarious posts on desertion and an introduction to 2REP, as well as posts from other members.
18th October 2004, 18:04
Some relevant post are on my web site.
18th October 2004, 21:18
I have found some old posts too. Dont know if they exist other places, like on Voltigeur's site or as a backup. Should i make a new post for each of the old ones or just paste them here and let the admin create new threads?
edit: ahh what the heck..here they are and split in ~10k char posts.
Joining the FFL
To join the FFL simply turn up in France and tell any French policeman, or you can make your own way to one of the 17 recruiting stations around France. 1. Paris 2. Lille 3. Rouen 4. Poitiers 5. Metz 6. Dijon 7. Strasbourg 8. Reims 9. Marseille 10. Aubagne 11. Bayonne 12. Bordeaux 13. Lyon 14. Nice 15. Perpignan 16. Nantes 17. Toulouse. When you arrive you will stay wherever you are untill there are enough of yous to begin tests, usually 3-10 days during this time you do all the shit jobs cleaning dishes etc. you dont have to know French as they will teach you. Don't bring anything you like as they take all personal belongings off you and sell them or keep them for themselves. next is aubange here you are tested on 1. physical health eg. doctors 2. psychotechnical test eg. maths and an IQ test 3. security clearance, they check with interpol so be honest some crimes are acceptable eg.assault etc. 4. physical fitness-press ups sit ups and 2.6k in 12 mins. if you fail you cant apply for 3 months. 5. interviews, they ask about your life and why you want to join. If you pass these you are shown videos of Legion history and see the Legion museum etc. after this you sign for 5 and a half years (including basic training) be aware if you don't keep up with training they can still kick you out during your initial 6 months only when you get the kepi blanc are you an accept legionnaire. I will write about basic training later in the week as i am pissed off typing. any questions just ask
Posted by Phil Wu on December 23, 1997 at 16:17:52:
In Reply to: Joining posted by Marc on December 23, 1997 at 07:50:21:
Do they recruit 32 year olds?
Yes, the age range is between 18 and 40, if you have a good shape.
Do they prefer men with former Military Service?
I don't know. Maybe some real legionnaires on the board will answer.
If I was to join, what should I bring with me?
Like any army on the world, you can just bring yourself to join. But it's better to bring some useful things, for ex. dictionary, cigarettes(if you smoke), and so on. Also don't forget to open a store box in the bank the place you join and put in all thing you don't want to bring to the Legion.
What percentage of persons joining get rejected?
It says about 10000 persons try to join every year, only about 1500 get accepted.
When do they get rejected? Week 1? Week 10?
Any time before the basic trainning (4 months) is completed. But it says almost all the cases are occurred in the selection proceure (0-3 weeks)
A few ? about joining the legion. posted by Henrik Svahn on December 16, 1997 at 16:13:37:
I am not a legionnaire, just gathering information and preparing for joining 3 years later ##
Yes, you can go to the recruit center any day of the year, any time of a day.
Wearing glasses seems not to be a problem. I, diopter -7, see everything blurred if not wearing glasses. An ex-legionnaire told me there is few chance to be accepted, but another told me if I insist, they will still let you enlist.Anyway, I'll go for eye operation to address my eye next year.
In Reply to: A few ? about joining the legion. posted by Henrik Svahn on December 16, 1997 at 16:17:41:
: First, I have to congratulate you for a SUPERB web site.
: A few questions:
: Can you join the legion whenever it suits you,
: or is there special times of the year when you can join?
: Is it possible to join if you wear glasses or contact-lenses?
All info I have reviewed ref: glasses or contacts
seem to require 20/30 vision uncorrected with
glasses or contacts allowed to assist to 20/20.
Check into LASIK vision surgery if you're serious.
: If i do not like the foreign legion after joining,
: can i left without penalty ?
Phil Wu said near everything but one more:
Legion can cut your contract for - bad discipline
reason (think about this because as new modern army
now Legion has keep her iron discipline from past)
Books - Sites
Christian Jennings' book "Mouth full of Rocks, is a great book . I'm readding it again for the 6th time
: Try this site:
: [Only registered and activated users can see links]
: Also read Christian Jennings' book "Mouth full of Rocks, Modern Adventures With the French Foreign Legion"
Posted by unasyned on January 13, 1998 at 21:44:58:
: "THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION"
: AUTHOR: JOHN ROBERT YOUNG
: PUBLISHING COMPANY: THAMES & HUDSON
Posted by Henrik Svahn on January 13, 1998 at 17:24:08:
The French Foreign Legion - A Guidebook to joining
Author: Simon Jameson
An interesting book with lot of facts.
Anyone interested can buy it at:
[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
In Reply to: Where can I find/get the song of the Foreign Legion?
: Does anyone here know where to buy the CD/tape/notes of the legion songs? What I need is the song being sung by the legionnaires, like Le Boudin.: All suggestion will be appreciated.
check the site of the french online seller [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) you can also go directly here
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
you can order on line; let me know if i can help
Life in FFL
: You will continnue to train for your regimental placement, you are not fully trained when you leave the 4em R.E.
The 2.6km test is only one of the tests you'll have to pass. You will have to pass psychiatric tests, physical tests etc. and you'll have to pass the "Gestapo" questioning.
They choose the best ones every week, and the rest will have to leave. In '89 there were about 100 persons a week, that passed through Aubagne.
You might very well be sent home during basic training if they don't think that you have a place n the Legion, you might have difficulties learning French for instance.
I hop it cleared some things out for you, if your going to join, I'll just say GO FOR IT!
LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA
: I read somewhere (I forget where) that Legionnaires aren'r allowed to leave France when on leave, does anybody know if this is true?
You're stuck in France for the first three years. After that you may leave the country.
18th October 2004, 21:21
Before joining & health (back to index)
Posted by T.D. Harrison
You can join anytime. I showed up at the gates of Aubagne at nine a.m. A British Sgt/Chef thanked me for coming, but told me that I would have to go to the recruiting post in Marseiile to sign. He had a driver going at one p.m., and if I wanted to, I was welcome to catch a ride. I did just that, signed in Marseille, where I was fed, given a jogging suit [after turning over ALL my belongings, including underwear],and spent a apprenhensive night before being sent back to Aubagne with the eight or nine guys who had arrived after me. You can also show up at any Gendarmerie, tell them you wish to join, and they are obligated to contact the Legion. Either the Gendarmes will drive you , or a Legion recruiter will pick you up. BON CHANCE!!! T.D.H.
Q: I am an American. For the past 18 months, I have been preparing my mind and body with the intent to join the Legion Etrangere. I'm 30 years of age. I do not smoke or take drugs. Je parle francais un tout petite peu. (I'm still learning)I run 4 to 6 miles a day in boots, 500 push-ups,100 pull-ups, 800 abs., I can swim 100 meters freestyle in 58 seconds.(lifeguard for 8 years) I possess an Open Water Divers cert.(PADI)Also I have completed my Accelerated Freefall Skydiving cert. as well.I do not wear glasses. My vision is 20/20 left eye, 20/25 right eye. I am 5'9 165 lbs. Light brown hair, hazel eyes. Lived in southern Calif. all my life. I am visiting family in the U.K. right now. I plan to land at the Paris recuitment base Jan 15 approx. QUESTION:Is having a slight color vision defic.,eliminate me from being accepted, given my present skills? If anyone can help with info.!!!!
A Posted by John: Take only bare essentials with you. Leave any valuables behind in the UK with your family. Take a change of clothes, underwear, socks and stock up on toiletries, boot polish kit, sewing kit vitamins and thermals. Also take a good book (as you will have time to read it while they process you in Aubagne) French Dictionary and some pocket money oh yeah and a watch. Don't take anything of value. Any civvies you join up
with will be placed with the rest of your "non essential" backage" in a holding bay for the six months probationary period from the time you sign the preliminary contract. If you decide to pull out during basic or they kick you out it will be returned. If not it will go to a store and sold. Carry some cash with you. In 85 they let us keep about 200FF and the rest was banked in an account maintained by the Legion ussually accessible once you get posted and they will give you a statement. The first two weeks in Aubagne you will undergo selection amongst a lot of hopefulls. Most are dregs of French society, economic refugees from the former East-Bloc, N.Africa or M.East and many will simply have their names called out and you will never see them again having failed a physical, mental aptitude, security or pysch test. Every detatchment has its share of thieves and
free loaders so watch your shit and refrain from fighting as both attract instant dismissal. Remember to answer all Q's honestly and sincerely.
That will win you points and the recruiters are used to every lame story, they will see straight through you if you lie. You will get sick of being asked the same Q's all the time: Why do you want to join? What did you do before? Think your answers before hand and ask Q's from guys who have done the medical psych test or security interrogation before you. Don't try to impress anyone with your French. If someone asks: Parle Francaise?
just shake your head and say: tres peu. This will save you from the shitty jobs and also save an Officer from speaking to you without an interpreter. Most of the Bone Heads who will decide your next five years will speak English perhaps better than yourself, if they do'nt they will find a legionnaire who can translate. Keep you ears and eyes open and your mouth shut. Then you get to Castelnaudary and the real fun begins.
BTW. Sometime in your career you may have doubts or for one reason or another decide to jump ship. Desertion is an option. The ethical issues I won't discuss but it happens a lot and the only sin is to get caught. Deserting from Castel is a laughable and stupid thing to attempt and I whould not recommend it. Best you stick out the BS in basic and hope Regimental life is better, then decide. The security bureau will keep your Passport untill you finish your contract. So it pays to get a second one and leave it in a safe place incase you need it. I know the American embassies
are not helpfull with deserteurs in France, so a second passport is piece of mind if you decide to leave. Thats all I can tell you except that most Yanks do well in the Legion and you sound committed. Having no previous military experiance will be an advantage as you will not be comparing and critisizing so much. At 30 you will be a little older than most at recruitement and that will work for or against you depending on your character. You must be absolutely certain that it is what you want to do.
A Posted by Sean :Sounds more like you should join the cast for baywatch.
Seriously though, good on you for the training and more importantly for setting yourself a join-up date.
No your problem will not have any bearing on joining up but may disqualify you from some specialist training in the future i.e. the C.R.A.P's, this depends on the severity of your colour deficiency of course.
I would point out that your 'skills', will count for nothing in the Legion, everybody starts the same way, at the same level and finishes the same way.
Good luck and go for it.
A Posted by Rolf: Sounds like you have trained enough! There is a color blind test in legion where they flip through that book with all those numbers placed in different color pages. I don't know if you are excluded for being partially or fully color blind but there must be a reason why they do the test. There was a guy however who was partially color blind and he got in so you never know. It was given the test at the Fort de Nogent in Paris when I joined and not when I got to Aubagne. A bit of advice: even if you are a super-trooper, keep your mouth shut once you join. Remember there is the right way, the wrong way and the Legion way of doing things and the Legion hates to have their procedures cirticized. So when they give treat your burns with an infrared lamp at the first aid station, just smile and nod.
Posted by Sean in Reply to:
Q: I´m planning to join the Legion during the summer of 1999, and have some questions that I hope could answer. Can I join any day or is it just on predecided days? Is there any chance that the first 5 year contract could be broken because of lack of economical fundings? Is the Legion in economical problems today? I really hope that this will work out for me. I did my military service during 1996-1997 in the "Swedish Rangers", and really miss that life I had back then, with friends, dicipline and proudness of being an elite of the army.
A: You can join on any day of the year, as to the financial standing of the Legion, have you ever heard of an army going bankrupt?? Except for the Russians of course! No cause for worry there.
Best of luck.
18th October 2004, 21:23
Q: I have been training for 6 months or so, I run hard 4 miles daily with 2 to 3 long distance runs during the week. I also weight train in the night 2 to 3 times a week( 3rd time depending). I have said this before(before they erased the previous set of messages) I use to give up easily when I first started this training regiment, now I go through the pain with a smile,and I don't give up no matter how painful. Mentally running makes you strong,and it has given me that mentally.Now, I know that the Legion is not going to be easy, or fun and games.I know what I'm going to get myself into. I'm just asking those questions about the kit because as of now I really don't have that much to ask. So I'm just asking questions...that's all. I do get the point what your trying to say. Anyways... THANKS!
A:Posted by JOHN: Stop breaking your balls man. God your training regime has got me
buggered. It'll help if you plan to join this winter (northern winter). Spot
of advice: You've done enough training, When you go in take heed of this
right now: If you are too fit and do too well they
will expect the same time and time again. If you are feeble they
will make life a misery for you. Mate take my advice and avoid alot of
BS. Go easy, shut your mouth, keep clean and learn to say oui Caporal very loudly.
Lend nothing to anyone, esp. vital shit like boot
pollish. Make friends quickly but take no shit. It's a beggars world you
will find yourself and excuses have no place. Arrage for someone to
to send you packages of food (esp. chocolate) You will spend a lot of your time
in Castellnaudary hungry so prepare. A lot of the fittest fellas including ex-military
guys cracked in Castel while us skinny wimps seemed to do well.
I did my basic at caserne Lapersette. A lot called it ColditZ or Aushwitz
You have to be more mentally prepared for Instruction. You will
cry, you will stab your comrades in the back and you will run around like
like a lost Grandmother, but you will win in the end
and become a Legionnaire. MAKE IT EASIER AND FOR GODS SAKE
ONLY TRUST YOURSELF. Bonne Chance Camarade.
Posted by WayneP in Reply to: THE WILL TO MAKE IT!!!!!
A: You mentioned weights and running. Just a few pointers, i would take a look at Philip Evan's comments about marchin and military neck syndrome. You will need to work hard physically in the Legion but mental willpower is what will get you through. I thought i was as fit as a fiddle when i was in the Royal Marines until that was, i joined the Legion. Cardiovascular exercise is important ie, circuit training and rope climbing and sprinting are all neccessary. You will also march a hell of alot, especially in the REP. Carry on as you are and you will have no problems. You will know when you are ready. WayneP
A:Being in good shape and knowing French will definitely help ease the transition. Each year about 7000 people try to join the legion, and most years only about 800-900 are accepted. Having fixed holes in your teeth will not be a problem provided that it has been done properly. You only need to take some ID, like a drivers license or something. School papers and the like don't matter at all, because you will be given tests while being processed
18th October 2004, 21:24
A:I don't ever remember anyone in REP with glasses, but by the same token, I don't ever remember seeing perfect vision as a medical requirement. Unfortunately, I can't give you a definitive answer. I'm only guessing that you need good vision, because I don't remember seeing anyone with glasses on.
A:I think that former Legionnaires will have a better answer. But what ever port you enter, be calm and cool. If you are flying into Paris like I am, just have your passport and plane ticket (Make sure it is ROUND-TRIP). You can either take the TGV (Train) to Marseille or simply go to the recruiting station near Paris. The locations are located at this web site. My intentions are simply to fly in the morning and make my way to the nearest recruiting station or to the one in Marseille by TGV-Train). That way I do not have to get a hotel or find a place to stay. If you fly in, make sure the round trip ticket is dated for three weeks after you arrive. Most people the Legion thinks are not capable of being Legionnaires are weeded out during that time, although it could happen later, but most likely not.
Round Trip Ticket (Dated for three weeks after you arrive)
Some spending cash-but not too much.
1 . Free time will depend on which regiment you join, in the REP you are on 24hrs standby,therefore weekends are restricted to Calvi only. At Castelnaudry, the only spare time you will get is whilst sleeping and 1/2 hour each week in the bar. This is after you have gained your Kepi Blanc.
2. You can join any time, any day.
3. You will learn to speak French very quickly, this will start at the farm whilst at Castelnaudry. You will repeat word for word everything you are given until you are blue in the face, it's time consuming but it works.
4. You can take your kitchen sink with you if you want, all personal items of kit are taken away from you at the recruitment centre and you will be given just a tracksuit. Your personal items will be returned if you bin it or finish you 5years.
5.You can keep in contact with relatives butthis tends to be after the farm. I was able to write at the farm but i didn't receive a reply until i got back to Castel, about a month.
6.Your chances depend on your health, your background ie, criminal record and most importantly your will to succeed.If you really want to do it you will.The Legion has a good system for weeding out individuals who are joining because they want to impress. If you are serious i bid you good luck and enjoy.
Posted by Wayne In Reply to: Can you visit your family during leave?
A: Officially you are not able to visit your country of origin until you have completed your five years service. I had 4 weeks leave after Bosnia and decided to go home. You will need to have your ID card and perm certificate (leave cert) to get back into England for example. You will find it very difficult once home to leave home because people will stare at you, buy you beers and you'll proberly end up in a cell like i did. I received two weeks free lodgings courtesy of CAMP Raffali Jailers for being late whilst on permission.
Posted by Rolf S.in Reply to: Thirty-somethings in the Legion?
Q: What are the chances for a thirty-seven with no military experience but a serious understanding of what to expect and what the Legion is about, to make it in the Legion Etrangère? Greetings.
A: Go for it! Don't let anyone talk you out of it. I joined when I was 22 and am now 37 and I believe I am fitter now than before and would have an easier time if I were to join at this age especially with the added mental maturity. I've done ruck marches recently that are similar to legion marches and performed exceptionally. If you have been keeping care of yourself you should do well. Remember the only regrets you'll have in life are the chances you didn't take.
Posted by WayneP in Reply to: Question about the FAMAS?
A: The FAMAS is an excellant sturdy, Reliable weapon. I must have shot about 10-20 thousand rounds through a FAMAS and it never once jammed. The good thing about the Famas is that it can be easily converted to left or right hand use. There are no moving gas parts. Ie Piston etc. The large handle also incurs the battle sights. this is used for variable ranged firing and for the ANTI-TANK rifle projectile. Underneath the Handle you have the cocking handle and the and the line-of-sight lever for firing Anti-personnel grenades. All are extremely accurate in experienced hands. If you see pictures of the FAMAS, you will notice a notched barrel. There is a clasp which slides up the barrel and is numbered. This is a range finder for the anti-personal grenade as the position requires you to place the FAMAS in a near vertical position. This is used in conjunction with the line-of-sight lever. Lastly for those about to join the Legion. When you get to fire the anti-tank projectiles, don't stick your nose too close to the Large carrying handle, you'll know what i mean when you do it. WayneP
18th October 2004, 21:25
ID & personal infractions (back to index)
Posted by Sean
This information is for those joining who have a criminal record. When you are going through selection you will be interviwed by the B.S.L.E (Bureau de Securite de La Legion Etrangere)affectionatly known as the 'Gestapo'. I have noticed that there is still some confusion as to what past offence(s) could prohibit you from joining. Important: if you are on the run for a murder charge or an offence similar to this one, do not join up, not only will you not be accepted, but you may find yourself outside the gates with Interpol waiting to greet you! For offences such as car theft, burglary or other minor offences this will not create too much of a problem, if at all. Some of the most common cases in the Legion are guys on the run from alimony payments to their wife! Even deserters from other army's can be accepted. Beware; joining the legion because you commited a minor offence at home is not always the best reason for joining the Legion, by this I mean that for some people it would be better to accept the punishment from a court than to join up. Important; Do not bullshit you interrogater, he will smell you out a mile off, be totally honest and you stand a much better chance. In my humble opinion, the best reason for joining up is a thirst for adventure and the willinginess to leave your past behind and to be born again. Only the legion offers you this possibility, but at a cost, your loyalty and the will to do what they tell you, no matter what. The rewards can be great, self-estime, travel,fitness, comradeship, benefits that are too many to mention.
A lot of people are alive in the world today because of legionnaires,one of the most recent theatre of operations was Yougoslavia from which some of my comrades did not come back. Legionnaires selflessly put themselves in the line of fire to help Bosnians cross areas that were under enemy sniper control and received little or no offical thanks for it, except the knowledge that they helped save someones life, the true legionnaire does not look for glory and most of the time we operated in the shadows, but still we carried out our job.
One of the most important things to know is that becoming a legionnaire is a vocation, it is not like joining an everyday army where being a soldier is simply a job, the legion will become your life, you will live it 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and even when you leave the Legion it will remain with you forever. The legion is not a job it is a way of Life.
Legio Patria Nostra: The Legion is our homeland, this will become your creed, your religion.
Many men have joned without ID. It makes it harder for the legion to verify your story but if they can,then they may accept you. As I have said before, it is doubtful that the legion will take a chance on you if there is any doubt on your background. Interpol check are limited to the information it has received from member countries. For instance if you come from the UK and the British police have not submitted criminal records to Interpol then you will not be flagged when an Interpol check is done. However, the legion still can phone up your country of origin and deal directly with the law enforcement agencies there. I know of a number of naughty Irishmen who had gotten themselves into a lot of trouble back home, lied about it, were found during there 3 weeks in Aubagne, screamed at for a bit by the Deuxieme Bureau people, confessed, and were finally admitted into the legion. They went on to become fine, yet very alcoholic, legionnaires. One can also be a criminal and not be on the system ie. not fingerprinted. The legion makes you write out your life history and then examines it and goes over it with you trying to trip you up. Most of the interviewers are good at their jobs since that is all they do. Of course if you know what you are doing, you can always get false ID and create a paper trail that no investigator in Aubagne has the resources to disprove. If you are attempting to hide something in your past that is of a criminal nature, find out in you country of origin first to see if you are on the system (do a criminal records check - it will cost you a small fee). Then see if your country is a member of Interpol. If it is you may have a problem. Of course, minor crimes like small thefts, joyriding and petty frauds are usually ignored by the legion but crimes of violence are not and you may be turned in to the authorities if a warrant exists for your arrest. I recommend that you spend some time before you present yourself without ID (for whatever your reasons are)getting your story straight. Get a friend to interview and try to find holes in your story. It's not that I want criminals in the legion but I can understand with someone wanting to start over with a clean slate. If you are a total screw up your comrades-at-arms will likely straighten you out one way or another.
I don't claim to have a direct line to the Deuxieme Bureau so I don't know what is the rationale for some of their selection decisions. However it is probably a good bet that that your warrant for your speeding ticket is meaningless to them. In North America anyways that is just a municipal infraction and a warrant is issued to speed up fine collection. In most places the warrant is not even enforceable outside of a small radius. The warrant will show up on a criminal record check so you had better be truthful about it (why not clear it up and then you wouldn't even have to mention it? Is the fine that large?) As far as your grand larceny conviction, this may or may not be an issue. Since there was likely no violence involved it will probably not matter.I know of one man who got in after stealing a bus and another for cheque fraud. Again it depends how you present your package (sell it) to the interviewer. Are you certain that you are on the system? Have you done a criminal records check to determine if you are? Is your country of origin an Interpol member? Why not try and get a pardon to erase it from the system? What country are you from anyways? If you are looking for assurances when in comes to Legion recruiting then you are in for a disappointment. I would recommend that you clean up as many problems that are within your capabilities back home first and then go to the Legion so that you present them with the fewest amount of excuses to reject you.
If this is too much spam then just delete it :)
19th October 2004, 03:33
The Legion as I know it.
Posted By: Jay
Date: Monday, 6 October 2003, at 1:47 p.m.
I said I would post relevant information sooner or later, so here it goes.
For those that dont know me I am serving With 1 REG. I have 13 months My specialist skills is telecommunications. I served in the British Army in various units. The information I am going to give you is based on what I have expereinced and heared from fellow colleagues.
I joined in July 2002. I went to Nice and within 2 days was shipped to Aubagne for selection. 2 points to note. Yes you can join direct at Aubagne and no. 2, avoid Paris if you can because you will probably be there for at least 5-7 days. Within an hour of arriving in Aubagne you have your first basic medical. The doctor will ask you to strip and look at your physique. All he is checking is that you are not grosly overweight or absolutley nothing to you at all. Dont worry if you are skinny are slightly overweight, but they are not looking for muscle bound freaks! He will also check your teeth. As long as they are not rotting or falling out you will be fine. If you need fillings get them done before you come. In Aubagne you will do the following tests. Cooper test: 2800m in 12 min. is the requirement. If you do slightly less and are western this will be tolerated, but I wouldnt advise it! If you are eastern european and do slightly less...goodbye. Thee reason is simple, at least 70% of those waiting for selection will be eastern, there are plenty to chose from. After you will have physco metric tests, and interviews with the so called "gestapo", dont use this word there!
You will not get beaten up here unless its by another recruit in which case you will both be on the next train home. Every day they get rid of people. I am not going to ruin all the fun for you by giving too much away.After 2-3 weeks you will know if you are going to Castelnaudary.
1st. Stage complete.
Now the fun begins. Within 1 week of arriving you will be off to "the farm". My instruction was hard disorganised and physically demanding. But that i expected. but nothing will prepare you for losing all liberties that you had before. In this time at the farm you will not be able to phone anyone or write letters. Your instruction will vary depending on your instructors. I enjoyed the farm; We ran every day, rope climbs (arms only), traction, marches, basic military skills and yes you do learn french. But as I said, that was my instruction. Some friends in other sections just got battered for 4 weeks! purely the luck of the draw.
The first week at the farm is important. First impressions count. They are not looking for military experts or supermen. They are looking for tryers and helpers. If your ex spetznaz, SAS, Commando, Seal, Delta force, keep it to yourself. They will soon find out anyway from their freinds at aubagne, who by the way will know everything about you. I held back one of the units I served in and they still found out.
At the end you do the Kepi Blanc march. 65km in two days with "sac-ops". Not that hard, but your boots are still new, and you will get blisters. FACT!
After you have 3 months of instruction, gaurd service and generally getting messed about. I got to you the phone twice with authoristion (many times without, but dont get caught). And wrote many letters. But this again will depend on your section.
You will be given a position in your section at the end of instruction and this is very important in deciding which regiment you go to. This is assessed on your general attitude, military skills, fitness, french. And most importantly, whether they like you or not. If you finish in the top 10 you should get the regiment you want depending on availability, in the middle you have a slim chance, last 5 your going to 2 REG! You will find out what I mean if you go there. Oh the raid march. This again depends on your section. Ours was only 3 days, but we covered 110km and it rained solid, it was december. It was hard.
Let me stress, yes the instruction is difficult, but nothing, nothing will prepare you for the bouts of lonliness, missing of family, girfriends etc. If you have a partner talk about it long and hard. I am engaged and we are still together because we made the decision togther. But it is hard. when you are feeling down you cant just ring home.
You will also be with people from different backgrounds. You will look down on some of them, but remember some have come from nothing. They will find this a lot easier than you. The reason I say you, is because these people that I am talking about wont have access to internet like you have right now. Dont try and understand them because you wont. Some days you will hate each other, the next depending on each other, it is, as Charles Lovelace says a brain f**k.
2nd stage finished.
You arrive at your regiment. I chose 1 REG, I finished 3rd, thank god! Then it starts all over again. Training, induction to your company etc. etc. Im not going to ruin the fun.
Certain things to be prepared for.For your 1st 5 years service you will not wear civilian clothes unless you have permission. You will not be able to buy a car. You cant get married. You need permission to buy anything of vlaue, ie. mobile phone, a bike, laptop etc. Your rights as you know it are gone. Unless you pass sergent before 5 years (1 out of 8).
But I love it. Im a Legionnaire, and proud. To adapt is very hard and a lot dont do it. They desert. But every time I am cursing something I have to do, everytime my feet are killing me afer a pointless march, everytime i have to sweep and mop the corridor ( get used to that in your 1st year) I just look back on all the memories I have to date in just 13 months service and for me its all worth while. But Im an idealist, I alsways see the good things!
Ive held back on lots of things because at the end of the day its your experience. I dont want to take that away from you. If you do decide to go and do make it, you will understand exactly what I am talking about, as will those who have served before.
The Legion is unique. It is special. But I must also tell you that it wont be all that you dreamed.
Sorry if sometimes I comr across blunt on here, but it does upset me to read some of the useless questions that are asked, when people like Joe put all the relevant information that you need.
The only question to ask is.....Where do I go?
The rest is up to you.
19th October 2004, 03:35
Castel Part 7
Posted By: Danny2
Date: Saturday, 1 November 2003, at 12:19 p.m.
Le Raid - Raid March.
The final week of basic training is when Le Raid takes place and the Section will be taken up into the mountains and dropped off at Perpignan near the coast to start their long march back to Quartier Capitaine Danjou. The Section marches about 150 kms in three days and culminates in a series of tests which will certify you as fully trained legionnaires. This final test is known as the CTE/00. The test will examine your ability at voice procedure on the radio (Le PPll), first aid, fieldcraft and personal weapon handling. The march is tactical and apart from crossing open areas of ground in a tactical manner, hard targeting (Moving quickly) and pepper potting (One covers - one moves), you can expect to be ambushed at any time. You will pass through villages and small holdings in the country which must likewise be approached and negotiated as if in combat. The Caporaux and Sergents will map read during the week. Evenings however will take a non-tactical line and there will be the customary wine drinking and singing of Legion songs in front of a camp fire. The route is very hilly to start with but as the Section nears Castelnaudary it begins to level out more. This will be the longest march that you will have done in the Legion. If you are hoping to go to the 2REP(Regiment Etranger Parachutistes) then this will be taste of things to come. (it is tradition in this Regiment to march across the island of Corsica, where they are based once every year - a distance of over two hundred kilometres). By the time that you do Le Raid your feet will be well used to marching and the boots will be well worn in. The night before the Section is due to re-enter the Quartier the Capitaine Compagnie will join you and there will be plenty to eat and drink. The following day the Section continues the remainder of the march straight back in through the camp gates, where you will be looked upon by any other passing Sections with envy and respect. This is the point at which most Legionnaires believe that the Kepi Blanc should be issued - when the job is done. However hard you might have found the march, the lack of sleep, the sudden ambushes - there is still more work to be done before you can relax. It is a tradition of the Foreign Legion to prepare the equipment for return to the stores immediately on return to the guartier after the final march. Since this is the end of your basic training, ALL the equipment must be immaculate. Tables are brought outside into the morning sun, all the Section weapons are cleaned to the extent that there is no trace of oil, grease or dirt anywhere. You may well be using pure alcohol to remove all such traces. Likewise the Le Brouillage (The webbing) is scrubbed, scrubbed and scrubbed again. The Section will be cleaning, scrubbing and polishing for the following twenty four hours non-stop after arriving back at the Quartier. Your feet will be blistered and bleeding - you will be so tired that you are delirious. Only once the work has been done can you start to relax. This is undoubtedly the hardest part of L 'Instruction, and you will by now be looking forward to your first posting more than ever. There are always foot and body inspections after every march or excercise in the Legion. If it is just a matter of minor blisters or ailments then one of the Caporals in the training team will see to you. Anything more serious and you will become a subject for the Infirmiers who are undergoing their training at Castelnaudary to deal with. Castelnaudary is also where the "Infirmiers" (Medics) undertake their training and who better to practice their new found art on than a Section of EV's. Within a few days Chef De Corps will have you all assembled on La Place O'Arme for a final talk before sending you back to Aubagne for Regiment selection.There is various paperwork to be done at Aubagne, and it is here that anyone wishing to leave the Legion has the right to do so. (They can give notice that they wish to leave but cannot actually get out of the Legion until the end of the sixth month. Any remaining time waiting for the leaving date would be spent carrying our menial tasks around the Quartier)
The hardest part of training that you will experience, from the physical side of things will be the Piste de Combat and Le Raid. From a mental point of view, the Legion does apply considerable pressure on recruits.Whatever your expectations are when you walk through the gates of the Foreign Legion for the first time - you can be guaranteed that it will not be what you expect. Things will be sometimes done in a way which seems illogical and unnecessary. If you can accept that it is being for a reason, then you will not have a problem. In order to instill military discipline into a batch of raw recruits from a wide variety of cultures - it is necessary that they learn not to question authority, but to obey it - no matter what they might think of the concept or method. It is unlikely that you will find the physical side of things your greatest obstacle in becoming a "Bon Legionnaire ".
19th October 2004, 04:09
there..those i have posted were a bit hard to find, as they werent in googles cache. This said, there are still plenty old threads in google's cache.
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here are a few links i found, searching on "legionboard" and then adding the topic names from the threads i had bookmarked, but if you use some other common words that are associated with the ffl, you can find quite a lot.
Try doing a search that includes words like castel, aubuagne, ffl, famas, kepi and so on.
I tried to add "A French Foreign Legion Board" in the search using intitle:"text above" - as that text is written as a part of the titel of each thread - but somehow that doesnt work very well. Site:cervens.net as mentioned before doesnt give any good results neither.
19th October 2004, 09:37
It might be an idea to put such links in an 'Old board threads' or 'FAQ' heading on the top section of the board and quick reference.
22nd October 2004, 17:41
A summary and healthy reminder for those starting to think about joining the FFL. Don't think to hard or long though. I thought about it for 10 days and went...
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